Senator Mary Lazich Sure Does Like To Play Dirty!
State Senator Mary Lazich, who "represents" Wisconsin's 28th Senate District (Greendale, Franklin, New Berlin, Muskego, Greenfield ect.) in the state senate is pulling out every dirty trick she can think of to give the GOP every unfair advantage in the upcoming recalls.
Let's remind ourselves of who Senator Lazich is first:
She was the Senator who made us all laugh when Governor Walker fell for that crank phone call from who he thought was billionaire conservative David Koch. The phone call revealed that Walker "thought about it" when it came to bringing fake agitators into the Madison protests and that he kept a baseball bat in his office for union bashing. And how did Senator Lazich respond - by asking for an inquiry into who exactly "thought about" bringing in agitators? Nope . . . her response was to create a bill that made it a heavy crime to commit a crank phone call. Yes, she put the fear of God into the hearts of every Bart Simpson in Wisconsin.
Then recently Mary Lazich tried to lull us into thinking she was a good, church mousey-type lady by creating a bill that would teach abstinence-only "sex" education in Wisconsin and separate the boys from the girls while teaching about marriage and cooking and house-cleaning. You know, a sex ed class without any real sex in it. (it hasn't passed yet)
Senator Lazich Today:
Now Senator Lazich is attempting to show us her true colors. Last Friday she started to circulate a bill that would require those who circulate recall petitions to submit notarized affidavits. In other words, after a volunteer stands on a corner in December collecting signatures from people wishing to recall Governor Walker, they then have to get a notary public to witness them signing the bottom of each sheet and give their seal of approval.
There are three things wrong with this:
1) Petitions like these, and nomination papers used to have to be notarized until 1999 when the law changed - and Scott Walker, who was in the State Assemble, voted to change it.
2) At a charge of $3 per page at UPS it would cost at least $180,000 to notarize the 600,000 signatures required to force a recall election against Walker.
3) All of the elderly, disabled and people who live in the stix who were planning to print out the recall petition at home and mail it in would now have to find their way to a notary public and cough up their own money to express Their right to petition the government for redress of grievances.
And if that wasn't dirty enough for Senator Lazich, who apparently likes to do business with whips, chains and a gag - she is attempting to rig the recall process even more:
The Senator is trying to get quick passage of a bill that would implement newly drawn districts in the state Senate within two weeks, but keep old districts in tact in the assembly until November 2012. Why? Because implementing new districts in the assembly would open up elections to fill 10 seats where no incumbent currently lives and Republicans see themselves are vulnerable in the current political climate. And changing the Senate districts now heavily favors Republican Senators up for a recall in November since they redrew the Senate districts themselves.
Anyone sorry yet that the attempt to recall Lazich failed? Then again, who says we can't file those papers again. Let's see: 21,000 signatures required divided by 10 per page at $3 per page = $6,300 to recall Lazich. Boy, democracy sure isn't cheap, but Lazich's politics are.
Don't like Senator Lazich's attempts to move the goalposts after the game has already started? Why not call her and tell her yourself.
Madison Office Telephone
(608) 266-5400
(800) 334-1442
District Telephone
(414) 425-9452
E-mail address:
sen.lazich@legis.wi.gov
Syte
7:59 pm on Monday, October 31, 2011
The media is the only one playing dirty.
I am delighted that Mary Lazich’s recall failed. Mary Lazich was elected by voters, she did her job well, she was re-elected by voters, and she is doing her job again. Thank you, Mary Lazich! When will the liberals of suburbia figure this out and stop wasting everyone’s time and money with recalls?
Mary Lazich is a courageous woman who has managed to stall liberal social experiments which sexualize our children prematurely. She is reversing the worst provisions of the UN-Healthy Youth Act, which did not permit the teaching of medically accurate statistics about risky sexual behaviors, as described by the US Center for Disease Control (CDC).
A recent US government study released by President Obama indicates that 70% of parents and 60% of teens favor abstinence. The US CDC also indicates that abstinence is the only reliable way to prevent STD and pregnancy. Two thirds of America plus the CDC, versus a minority of “progressive” media advocating social experiments!
More about the differences between the old “(UN-)Healthy Youth Act” and Mary Lazich’s new Senate Bill 237:
http://sytereitz.com/2011/10/wisconsin-sex-ed-there%e2%80%99s-an-elephant-in-the-room/ .
Syte
http://sytereitz.com/
Bren
8:30 pm on Monday, October 31, 2011
I wouldn't even try to respond to Syte's histrionic post and attempt to use a blog as a legitimate information source (above).
Charging people to vote (poll tax) is illegal and there must be grounds for a legal review here as the recall is part of the Wisconsin voting process. With an approval rating of 38% (Rasmussen poll, 10/29/2011), Lazich's attempts to help the Koch brothers keep their puppet governor in place through gerrymandering may fortunately not have much of an impact. Personally, even though I believe that Mary Lazich's proposed bill may be unconstitutional and requires a legal review from a non-Bob Jones University grad, I would gladly help pay to get those sheets notarized for this recall effort.
Syte
10:46 pm on Monday, October 31, 2011
Those liberals living in suburbia!
Name-calling when out of answers, words used out of context.
Zero facts or references to support their dubious claims, and belittling others' references without reading them.
Yup, that's their usual drill.
Called Alinsky tactics.
http://sytereitz.com/2011/05/alinsky-tactics/
Lyle Ruble
7:35 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
@Syte...Anyone can dig around and come up with research to support their preconceived position. It has been well known that people's behavior doesn't necessarily follow their stated moral or ethical positions. Anyone with half a brain understands to completely eliminate risk is not to engage in the risky behavior. However, again people don't avoid the risk. As a biologist you should fully understand the difference between instinctual emotive driven behavior verses rational no risk behavior. We must prepare our children to control themselves, but we cannot turn our backs on the reality of actual behavior. Therefore, we would be delinquent in our parental and social responsibility to not teach effective birth and disease control.
I suspect from your background, admittedly reading between the lines, that you and Mary Lazich are thinly disguising your moral positions that reflect the dogma of the Roman Catholic Church. That dogma demands three things: no sex prior to marriage, no birth control, and finally no termination of pregnancies under any circumstances. It so happens that the majority of Americans are not Roman Catholic and do not support the Roman Catholic dogma concerning sexual morality.
You have a right to state your position and arguments, but Mary Lazich is prohibited by the constitution from using government to further her moral positions.
Jason Patzfahl
7:21 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
UPDATE: Dale Schultz (Republican 17th Senate District) will NOT be voting for Mary Lazich's Bill to implement newly draw districts in the Senate in time for recall elections. He said that people who first elected him should have the chance to recall him if they so desired.
And if we want to look at recent quality polling on the sex ed debate:
A recent poll by NPR, the Kaiser Family Foundation, and Harvard's Kennedy School of Government finds that only 7 percent of Americans say sex education should not be taught in schools. Fifteen percent of Americans believe that schools should teach only about abstinence from sexual intercourse and should not provide information on how to obtain and use condoms and other contraception. A plurality (46 percent) believes that the most appropriate approach is one that might be called "abstinence-plus" — that while abstinence is best, some teens do not abstain, so schools also should teach about condoms and contraception. Thirty-six percent believe that abstinence is not the most important thing, and that sex ed should focus on teaching teens how to make responsible decisions about sex. The most controversial topic — "that teens can obtain birth control pills from family planning clinics and doctors without permission from a parent" — was found to be inappropriate by 28 percent of the public, but even there, seven out of 10 (71 percent) thought it was appropriate. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1622610
Syte
8:49 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
Jason-
The study you quote was carried out by a collection of organizations with a “progressive” liberal reputation in 2004. It included only respondents to a telephone survey, which included explicit sexual questions, and was comprised of 68 questions, with 121 parts. The number of people who would respond under these conditions, as well as their political affiliation, is to be questioned.
Most conservatives (half of America) would hang up as soon as the progressive sponsors introduced themselves. The rest of America (with the exception of diehard progressives) would hang up before the 121 questions had been read and asked (at least 40 minutes?), or as soon as the stranger on the other end of the line got to the explicit sexual questions.
Your severely flawed 2004 survey bears little relevance to the Wisconsin Sex Ed debate today. See http://SyteReitz for modern data and links in the Wisconsin Sex Ed article, which quotes unbiased US government studies, medical data, and which shows a preponderance of support for abstinence training in America today.
Terry
7:38 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
why don't you stick it?
Ben Hogan
8:15 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
Once again the same three people responding and pontificating from on high. Bren, Lyle, and Jason. These three should run the planet! They know everything and apparently have sooooo much free time that they constantly respond to every topic on this site.
Syte
8:20 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
Quoting you, Lyle Ruble-
“Anyone can dig around and come up with research to support their preconceived position.”
My “dug up” research includes U.S. Department of Health and Center for Disease Control Studies, Gallup Polls and Rasmussen polls. Also the evidence of the Nov 2010 elections, which indicated that the people of Wisconsin want a shift in the conservative direction.
If you feel O.K. with dismissing those, there is little point arguing with you
Your argument (with which 70% of parents and 60% of teens disagree) that “if they’re going to do it anyway, prepare them for it,” is not valid. There are numerous mistakes that some of our youth is likely to make, including lying, stealing, neglecting education, using drugs, and premarital sex. Parents and schools don’t facilitate and TEACH all the other risky and unwise behaviors, so why would they facilitate and TEACH the last one through official school policy? Facilitation implies approval, and that is not part of a good education. Besides, those parents who think the way you do are free to “educate” their children themselves. Why would you want to foist your minority ideas on the majority?
If it is disease control that you are truly interested in, abstinence training has also been shown to be more effective in public schools than contraceptive training – check my article at http://SyteReitz.com , on Wisconsin Sex ed.
Lyle Ruble
10:34 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
@Syte...What is the proportion of the adolescent and youth population that engage in sex out of wedlock? From a Kaiser Foundation study conducted from 1993 through 2003, 47% had engaged in sexual activity. The latest figure has dropped to 43% for high school students (CDC 2010). It is clear that sexual activity in youth is still occurring and has to be addressed practically. The rates of unplanned pregnancy has also declined but still is too high for the sexually active at better than 39%. To emphasize abstinence over other forms of sex-ed is foolish. With such a high proportion of youth involved in sexual behavior we must give them the best tools possible.
Your argument about Wisconsin, by voting more conservatively, is giving a mandate of sorts for this legislation is a faulty assumption. The conservative movement you are talking about is primarily fiscal conservatism not social conservatism. Two different independent conservative movements.
People do not openly teach deviant behavior and to suggest teaching fact based sexual contraception and disease prevention is akin to lying, stealing, etc; is comparing apples to oranges. Facilitation does not lead to permission and that is a faulty supposition. You, as someone who has been trained in the sciences knows better than to make unsubstantiated claims.
I have checked your article and it doesn't add anything to the argument.
Syte
8:22 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
Lyle Ruble-
Please don’t tell me what I am “thinly disguising,” because you are wrong. You seem to have some particular resentment toward the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is only one of the majority of modern philosophies, including Protestant, Jewish, Islamic, and secular agnostic, that includes the belief that abstinence before marriage is medically optimum for the individual person, and psychologically optimum for the development of a healthy and stable future family life. 70% of parents and 60% of teens are not Catholic, yet they favor abstinence, and your attempt to introduce a connection to Catholicism into this issue is inapplicable, and is an intolerant, poorly thought out assumption.
The bottom line is that extreme liberals are in the minority, and they have little chance of forcing their views on the majority in the US today. Your attempts at dismissing our conservative pragmatic views as “religious,” and regarding your own views to be superior to those of the majority is not likely to fly. Those who disagree with you consider YOUR views to be poorly thought out and dissonant with scientific (and common sense) findings.
Lyle Ruble
10:52 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
@Syte...Please prove to me that I am wrong that your views don't mirror that of the proscribed position of the Roman Catholic Church. Were you not raised in the dogma of Lithuanian Christianity? Are you in favor of those that don't practice astinence to use constraception? What is your position on those who engage in premarital sex? What is your position on choice? To claim that all the major religious institutions support your beliefs is proposterous. People often hold quite different views than what their religious organizations advocate. I am not a Christian and in my own religion there is a wide range of opinions concerning a number of issues, including pre-marital sex, contraception and choice. Just because I hold one view doesn't mean that I speak for all tht share my religious tradition. I would never be so presumptuous. You are clearly reading more into the statistics that support abstinence than is warranted.
I don't see where the science is in your postings. I understand scientific method and statistics as well as you do; I just don't manipulate the statistics to conform to my preconceived beliefs. To use the "common sense" reference statements is rediculous, and do not lend weight to your arguments. Common sense has been on the wrong side of history too many times.
Don
8:31 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
you goofy freaking Liberals. Come on look in the mirror and realize that you are just an emotionally driven person who doesnt deal in real world solutions. You just want to wish and hope everyone will do their part and play by the rules. Sit down and let the grown ups handle these things.
Ben Hogan
8:53 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
The real problem with people like Bren, Lyle, and Jason have no problem when their side is in control. In fact they had no problem with the fleeing fourteen. You see if it fits their agenda its anything goes by any means necessary. When the shoe is on the other foot the cry and whine like babies. If the Democrats were in control right now and did the exact same things you would'nt hear a peep from these people. In fact I'm so tired of them I think this is the last time I'm ever going to respond to their comments.
Gregory Kluck
4:26 pm on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
Just a couple of observations...first, gerrymandering has long been used to arrange districts to better serve an area or to make it favorable to the current party in power. Democrats have used this in the past. I remember when the fourth U.S. district in Milwaukee was changed. Also, the recall apparatus is there to try and remove an elected official from office for perhaps criminal or near criminal behavior, or official malfeasance, not to change an entire group of politicians because some one doesn't like the particular party. Walker and the GOP pretty much said what they were going to do and did it. This is why they got elected. There must have been quite a few people who agreed with them.
Sharon
10:08 pm on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
My problem with Walker and his agenda is pretty simple. Facts. He bullies the public sector employees by leading the voters to believe public sector employees are over paid and have better benefits than "the rest of us." I voted to the right my entire life until the past election when I heard the facts being skewed to further his agenda. I have several friends who work for the State of Wisconsin and prior to going to the Private sector (to make more money), I worked for the Feds. The State workers I know don't earn as much as I. I can't speak for their health benefits but they do pay for them. Granted, their retirement beats all others but their pay sure doesn't. My husband works for the County and he doesn't earn more than I. If I would've continued to work for the Feds, I could not have survived. Busting the unions did nothing to reform bad behavior. The bad behavior I witnessed while a federal employee is what needed to be busted. Abolishing collective bargaining doesn't even begin to address bad behavior. I think (and am not sure) that annual salary surveys are taken and salary ranges are set in the private sector using the public sector and other factors. What happens when the public sector salaries remain frozen? It seems to me that one day we'll all be making $10 per hour and we'll be thrilled. The witch hunt against the public sector employees is what is distressing to me. For that reason, I'm leaning to the left. Never thought I would.
"Himself"
10:40 pm on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
Jason, stop your whining... the election is over!
Quietwood Guy
12:10 pm on Wednesday, November 2, 2011
I think you have spelled intact wrong, "but keep old districts in tact in the assembly until November 2012." Also, while your opinions are valid, the style of this blog lacks a little "tact".
Jason Patzfahl
9:32 pm on Wednesday, November 2, 2011
Latest Update: Senator Mary Lazich canceled votes on both of her bills - the one to use new Senate districts for recalling Senators, and the bill to require each recall petition be notarized. Everyone who loves a fair fight and true democracy is a winner on this one.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/senate-elections-panel-delays-vote-on-controversial-recall-measures-133006323.html
Jim Jones
9:51 pm on Wednesday, November 2, 2011
OMG. How pathetic JP is. And all of us including the Greendale PATCH should be ashamed of reading his "work." A liberal flaying at windmills in a community that if anything will knock out Lazich with someone even more conservative - and smarter. Thanks JP for helping the cause. But then as a narcissist, you can keep on going!
Viviana Buzo
1:34 am on Thursday, November 3, 2011
Hi Jim,
Would you be interested in blogging? We're always looking for local residents to voice their opinions on any subject. If interested send me an e-mail to viviana.buzo@patch.com.
Thanks!
Jason Patzfahl
7:05 am on Thursday, November 3, 2011
To readers from all sides of the isle: Before we start bringing my mother into this or more people call my home to wish me ill or send me nasty emails, let's please keep all personal insults and attacks out of the patch. Instead, why don't we offer facts and solid commentary to counter the viewpoints of others.
And BTW, The Committee To Recall Senator Mary Lazich collected over 17,000 signatures with a great many of them coming from the Greendale/Franklin area. (and that's a fact)